Nieves
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| posted on 25/3/2003 at 19:01 |
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UOPG Question of The Week - 03/25/03
Is PvP still fun in Ultima Online?
Why or why not?
Hasta.
Most people aren't stupid. They are just uninformed idiots.
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Dart_Baja-Atl
Non-Nuub 
Registered: 23/12/2002 Location: Covington, Ky Member Is Offline Mood: WoW 4 LyfE
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| posted on 25/3/2003 at 19:19 |
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only when you are in big group battles of 10+ each side. those were the
only fun pvping things from back in the day. i remember being able to
compete with this template:
100 fencing
100 tactics
95 anat
80 healing
85 magery
90s med
60s resist
90/90/45
i would still work on him whenever i wasnt pvping and guarding the minax
base for 12 hrs at a time
I'm Back Bitches
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Extreme Mojo
Semi-Nuub
Registered: 11/12/2002 Location: Chesapeake Member Is Offline Mood: teh pwn
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| posted on 25/3/2003 at 19:19 |
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Fun?
No. Fair? No. The quickest route to loot? Yes.
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Vick
Not a Nuub
Registered: 29/11/2002 Member Is Offline Mood: itemsitemsitems
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| posted on 25/3/2003 at 19:27 |
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It would be if...
Anyone was on, on Drach I havnt seen an orange in weeks, The only PvP is
red vs blue with running and househiding. And not even much of that.
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JC the Builder
Non-Nuub
Registered: 20/6/2002 Location: Atlantic Member Is Offline Mood: Enlightened
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| posted on 25/3/2003 at 20:05 |
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Fun? Yes.
Fair? Yes.
Do people need to get used to and understand all the new abilites and what
they do and how to change their stratigies so they don't die in 3 hits and
also figure out that you don't need unber armor to win? Yes.
If you don't put in your 2 cents how can you expect change?
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Mr Sparkle....Pac
Not a Nuub
Registered: 6/1/2003 Location: PaCiFiC HoMe Of ThE l337 Member Is Offline Mood: hybernating
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| posted on 25/3/2003 at 20:10 |
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No
PvP is now neither fun nor is it by no means fair. It is 100% predictable
especially since every weapon pretty much does the same amount of damage
each hit... and how every fencer thinks their the shiznit cause they can
dismount/mount kill and how every axer gains pride with 2 consecutive
double strikes. My mage is practically useless in pvp doing 15 damage
ebolts at 110 eval....The same boring re run over and over and over. The
diversity and mystery UO once had is lost. Though I still faithfuly tag
along with EA's devious patches in hope of some new hope....
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KDF
Semi-Nuub 
Registered: 24/3/2003 Member Is Offline Mood: Um.. fuck it.
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| posted on 25/3/2003 at 21:23 |
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LMAO!!!!!! HAR HAR HAR!!!
HAHAHAA,, huh?....
Oh!! *sheepish grin* You were serious?
*clears throat*
Well..er.. you asked is PvP still fun? I'd have to respond to this
question with a resounding NO.
In an effort to `trammelise' the game, they have over-plumbed the drains...
made everything so damn complicated, it takes you forever to figure out
what will happen if you switch weapons. What happened to SKILL based play?
Rather than actually `trammelising' the game, they have suceeded in
`traumatising' it.
Bottom line... you can now play UO in DAOC, cause it's the same thing
there. But over there, you get nice 3D.. and housing/horses are on the
way. In DAOC, you are you by what you wear and swing. It USED to be that
here in UO, you were identified by some sense of style. Anyone remember
Sir Bart and his boys?.. say what you want, it was you against them.. not
`what Im wearing versus what you are wearing'. Anyone remember CPT??
Individually, they sucked!.. but man!.. what a team! And they were a
team because they trained together and worked their SKILLS.. they didnt
get `uber shit' to wear and wield.
PvP was given it's walking papers in UO the minute tram was born. I'm not
againbst tram.. honest I'm not.. own a house there myself, actually, and
love it. However, PvP only works when the threat of red/pk'rs is the same
for EVERYone.. forcing people to band together and defend themselves. As
it is now, you can flee to the safety of Trammel and Malas.
It was soooo cool `back in the day', when it was killed or be killed. "BUT
KDF!!.. I dont WANT to PK or get killed like that!" Then learn the skills
you need to not be around when the pk'rs and reds are. You learn, beleive
me.. I did!.. I cannot tell you the number of times I died in Brit
cemetery back when it was the loot place to be (it was in the ancient past,
folks). And I cannot express the utter and shear satisfaction when the day
came I killed my first red, running out of Deceit for his life, and I'm all
over his ass like ugly on a gorilla. I dropped him and looted his ass..
gutted the body and turned in the head for a reward, too!
But I digress...
PvP WAS fun.. when it meant something and added the quiniscental realism
and immersion you need for such a game as UO and DAOC are (well.. at least
are supposed to be). I don't want to return to the old days.. but shame
on OSI for not learning lessons from those old days. Factions are dead,
and guilds not needed. Make them both into a coherant system that CAN be
used in PvP!
*slaps forhead*
There I go.. thinking they'll listen to reason again.
Silly fucking me.
(Are you sure this question wasn't just a joke?) *sighs*
What part of no din't you understand?.. the N or the O?
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Dra
Not a Nuub
Registered: 5/9/2002 Member Is Offline Mood: .!.. you tramme
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| posted on 25/3/2003 at 21:45 |
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UO pvp is laggged and fucking dead... I'm gone to Shadowbane! later!
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Satch of GL
Cavalry
Registered: 25/6/2002 Location: The East Coast of Nebraska Member Is Offline Mood: Curious....
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| posted on 25/3/2003 at 21:46 |
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Definitely not. The new resists are silly and people in Fellucca are few
and far between. Red (FS!) and "Blue(?)" PK guilds (BC) are running
around more freely, but the anti guilds are not forming. People don't have
to cooperate in defense, they just move to Malas.
World traveler, intelligence expert, soldier of fortune, bartender and bass
player, casual hero.
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Yedax
Not a Nuub
Registered: 11/7/2002 Member Is Offline Mood: I'm tired.
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| posted on 25/3/2003 at 23:32 |
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Yes and no.
Yes: Lots of reds to fight on Chesapeake and Catskills.
No: Most of the reds are archer mages with spell channeling bows that can
parablow you, then exp + FS you. Gay.
Yes: Special moves add diversity to PvP. My pirate, whom formerly got owned
in straight PvP now wins a lot more with his scimmy and explosion pot
combos.
No: Certain weapons got the wrong special moves. Two handed weapons should
not have doublestrike. What human being can swing an axe two times in the
span of one normal swing? Plus it's overpowered. Wands should not have
dismount.. Who hits someone with a wand and knocks them off a horse? Oh,
and where's my good, poisonable sword weapons for my swordsman? Butcher
knives and cleavers..? What the hell..
Yes: Necromancy and chivalry add diversity to PvP, making people learn how
to counteract new spells.
No: Most necro spells allow for an instakill (pain spike with a heavy
hitting weapon and special move anyone? Revenants?). Chivalry makes some
people damn near unkillable, what with their close wounds where they never
have to drop a weapon, and all their buffer spells.
Yes: It's neat to see people using new weapons with different
attributes.
No: Everyone insures anything good.
Yes: Customized PvP houses make fights interesting and fun.
No: Private houses my assassin can't stealth in to, and houses with 'owner
only' doors and teleporters are lame.
As you can see, it's a mixed basket, and this could have been the greatest
UO expansion ever had some balance issues just been explored more. But
right now no, PvPis not very fun.
Of course, it's mostly the fault of the players for all resorting to the
gimpiest tactics available. Last night I was on my swords mage and got
attacked by two archers. We'll call them archers A and B.
A: 45 damage hit against my 40 phys resist.
Me: Chug GH, begin In Vas Mani.
A: 45 damage parablow hit, interrupting my In Vas Mani.
B: 45 damage parablow, killing me.
Bows are now the overpowered gimp weapon again, being both hard hitting and
fast, and now para can't be broken.. Just lame..
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MX
Semi-Nuub
Registered: 30/1/2003 Member Is Offline
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| posted on 25/3/2003 at 23:55 |
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No opinion
well, i haven't pvped since AoS, but with the stuff I've
read/heard/experienced with pvm, its probably a big change. problem is, as
a general rule, human beings don't like change. myself included.
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EUMeph
Semi-Nuub
Registered: 20/3/2003 Member Is Offline
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| posted on 26/3/2003 at 10:43 |
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I have yet to see any really nasty archers on Eu, so if they are as
overpowered as you say...
at the moment pvp is good fun tho. Anyone who says a mage is underpowered
is foolish, learn to use them properly (protection for gawds sake, you cant
be interrupted! Dp fields! muaha)
And people complaining about lancers.. use bolas! Player craftable,
reusable, just as effective, and mean you can be swinging a better weapon
than a lance (which lets face it is fking slow, and crap except for that
first hit)
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Mr Sparkle....Pac
Not a Nuub
Registered: 6/1/2003 Location: PaCiFiC HoMe Of ThE l337 Member Is Offline Mood: hybernating
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| posted on 26/3/2003 at 17:04 |
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I would have more respect for the aos and pvp if they lowered the max
resistance to 50 or at least have a resist cap of 250. Ubers will still be
able to have 70 in some resists but would have to lower others. this would
be awesome.
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Bad Dude
Not a Nuub
Registered: 5/12/2002 Member Is Offline
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| posted on 26/3/2003 at 23:29 |
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Mr Sparkle that is a damn good idea!
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Arjuna
Blind Swordsman
Registered: 5/9/2002 Member Is Offline
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| posted on 31/3/2003 at 06:01 |
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uber armor
quote:
you don't need unber armor to win
Obviously i agree that a
reasonably armored character can beat well to unarmored people.
And obviously unarmored people will die in two hits or spells.
But what do you do against that rare person that has full sets of
double-digit resist armor and the best weapons and jewlry. You can't hurt
them, and they can still hurt you.
Pre-AoS pvp was generally okay unless you were trying to go toe to toe with
somebody that had a blessed verite/valorite weapon. Now everyone can have
that kind of weapon, so that part is balanced (and the LJ skill was reduced
to a waste of points), but now we have a few people who are almost
untouchable.
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syphat
Not a Nuub
Registered: 3/9/2002 Location: Pacific Member Is Offline Mood: stunner ny1???
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| posted on 31/3/2003 at 20:02 |
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pvp....... what about the part i enjoyed the most???
dueling... duel a necro mage, blood oat, damn what am i supposed to do on
my heal mage?
duel a paladin healer/fighter... they cast concecrate and can heal/cure
just like a mage can... man what balance
basically its either you become necro or a paladin or its useless to try...
i like my fried rice with fried eggs.. fried chicken... fried water...
fried orange juice... after a fried fuck and a fried cigarette.....
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