Mulac
Non-Nuub 
Registered: 27/8/2003 Location: New Zealand Member Is Offline Mood: Mr Roboto
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| posted on 22/1/2004 at 13:26 |
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Your favorite 5 item properties...our own "focus group"
List the 5 properties you use the most for either PvP or PvM.
[Edited on 23/1/2004 by WonderBrick : Many thanks, Mulac!]
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WonderBrick
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| posted on 22/1/2004 at 14:24 |
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Fast Cast
Fast Cast Recovery
All else is gravy. But a few things I have my eye on are...
elemental/phys resists
SDI
LMC
+INT
And to lesser degrees...
DCI(for mage)
HCI(for mage key stuns)
Guilty pleasures...
Self-Repair
Nightsight
Ack! Way more then five. My first two are only real important ones for me
at this point(yes, I am that far behind the curve still). 
"... I don't like blind bitching any more than I like blind praise."
-Boyar
"If your game lacks balance or doesn't have a vision that the developers
are working towards, such as in the case of UO, then you're going to get a
hodge-podge mess.
Instead of "Hey, that looks cool. Let's try it in our game," we need to
hear more of "We're here. We need to be there. Let's get to there." Doing
more of the latter approach you'll hear the true sound of contented fans:
coins dropping in the till." -Tymaron
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WaterDragon1987
Not a Nuub
Registered: 26/9/2002 Location: Pacific - VA Member Is Offline Mood: meh
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| posted on 22/1/2004 at 15:29 |
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HCI
SSI
% Hit lightning
DI
Night Sight
guess whos a dexxer!
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Regret of Mother
Semi-Nuub Avatar Link Time-out
Registered: 5/2/2003 Member Is Offline Mood: wired
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| posted on 22/1/2004 at 16:23 |
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FC
FCR
+SDI
+INT
+DCI
guess who's a mage?
This space rented...
Sold to Draxous for Wonderbrick.. hes worth 20 dollars an hour.
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Willy Nelson v2
Semi-Nuub
Registered: 12/1/2004 Member Is Offline
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| posted on 22/1/2004 at 18:10 |
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Barring FC and FCR as they are obvious then:
Dex/Stam +7
SSI
HCI
Hit chance fireball/lightning
spell channeling
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Dart_Baja-Atl
Non-Nuub
Registered: 23/12/2002 Location: Covington, Ky Member Is Offline Mood: WoW 4 LyfE
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| posted on 22/1/2004 at 18:34 |
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fc/fcr
spell chanel no -1
SDI
LMC
SSI
guess who's a mage and a dexer? 
I'm Back Bitches
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Cartman
Not a Nuub
Registered: 23/12/2002 Location: South Park Member Is Offline Mood: >_<
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| posted on 22/1/2004 at 23:05 |
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hit poison area
hit fire area
hit energy area
hit cold area
hit physical area
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Maximus
Not a Nuub
Registered: 27/7/2003 Location: Ohio Member Is Offline Mood: EA ruined my UO
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| posted on 23/1/2004 at 02:44 |
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FC
FCR
Mana Regen
SDI
DCI
*whistles about* yeah, I like my Parry Mage lol
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Draxous
I asked Nieves for a cool name.
Registered: 24/4/2003 Location: Michigan in teh 313 Member Is Offline Mood: Untouchable
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| posted on 23/1/2004 at 02:44 |
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fc
fcr
sdi
dci
hp regen
You love my style!
I am a bushman and I live in XvekeZ bush!
Nieves cant get in my bush so hes jealous!
My avatar owns!
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syphat
Not a Nuub
Registered: 3/9/2002 Location: Pacific Member Is Offline Mood: stunner ny1???
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| posted on 23/1/2004 at 04:58 |
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SDI
mana regen
mana increase
LMC
hit lighting
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Nieves
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| posted on 23/1/2004 at 12:52 |
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My favorite property:
"emminently accurate silver katana of vanquishing"
Guess who likes preUOAOS?
Hasta.
Most people aren't stupid. They are just uninformed idiots.
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WonderBrick
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| posted on 23/1/2004 at 12:55 |
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*polymorphs into orc and ebolts Nieves*
"... I don't like blind bitching any more than I like blind praise."
-Boyar
"If your game lacks balance or doesn't have a vision that the developers
are working towards, such as in the case of UO, then you're going to get a
hodge-podge mess.
Instead of "Hey, that looks cool. Let's try it in our game," we need to
hear more of "We're here. We need to be there. Let's get to there." Doing
more of the latter approach you'll hear the true sound of contented fans:
coins dropping in the till." -Tymaron
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Floriarama
Not a Nuub
Registered: 19/9/2002 Location: Yurp Member Is Offline Mood: WoWzoring
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| posted on 23/1/2004 at 13:16 |
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I still play UO and still don't understand those stupid AoS properties
:/
w00t nieves!
Fooling around on Europa shard still.... UO IS NOT DEAD YET! (but almost)
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RagnarIceblood
Semi-Nuub
Registered: 8/1/2003 Member Is Offline
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| posted on 23/1/2004 at 13:55 |
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How about item properties is a clusterfuck idea, and should never have made
it into UO?
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cedricashby
Semi-Nuub
Registered: 19/3/2003 Member Is Offline Mood: Pre Ren please
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| posted on 23/1/2004 at 14:53 |
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durable/ruin shadow double axe my first ruinic weapon with my name on it.
tobad i lost if 15 minutes later in fel guess i was alittle behind the
power curve 
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Mulac
Non-Nuub
Registered: 27/8/2003 Location: New Zealand Member Is Offline Mood: Mr Roboto
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| posted on 23/1/2004 at 21:40 |
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Item properties are not bad, people are bad hehe
I think the conceptual idea behind item properties is fine. It is the
implementation that sucked. Think about it an "emminently accurate silver
katana of vanquishing" is still a weapon with item properties on it!
All OSI was trying to do was to throw a quick & easy power escalation into
UO. Unfortunately, they botched it up by
1) Putting in too many properties at once
2) Leaving legacy broken systems in the game
3) Adding the artifact system on top of 1)
Too much too soon, especially when all of it is buggy and not balanced can
ruin any game. So, it is not the items that are bad it is the people 
Like so many things in UO, Im sure it is here to stay. Only thing OSI will
do now is screw it up even more by putting "caps" on some properties. In
my experience, caps are nothing more than a poor design "stop-gap" because
a dev team is not creative enough to solve the problem properly or the
programming team is not good to properly implement a good design.
I still say that once you pass through to Felucca you should be unable to
wear any overpowered items. That is a blanket stop-gap that will really
level the playing field. If OSI is gonna screw things up, then they mine
as well go all the way!
The reason I started this thread was to determine the properties people
liked the most. I am curious to see just how often "desirable" properties
spawn on items. I know I know OSI says it is all random, but I am not
seeing that at all in the item database (monster loot project).
[Edited on 23/1/2004 by Mulac]
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siegeshot
Not a Nuub
Registered: 14/9/2002 Member Is Offline Mood: holy light spam
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| posted on 23/1/2004 at 23:40 |
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nobodys mentioned use best wep yet. but i see that on a lot of peoples
weps.
heres for hoping they change use best wep on bows to use less arrows
i think stam leech and stam increase 7 and stam regen are my new favorites
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ZappaATL
Green Giant
Registered: 6/7/2002 Location: Nude beach Miami, Florida Member Is Offline Mood: I just farted
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| posted on 24/1/2004 at 00:19 |
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quote:
Originally posted by Nieves
"emminently accurate silver katana of vanquishing"
Best part of them days is you only had said katana for a few days before it
got passed on to a victor, repaired and passed on once again.
Now that I think about it I think UO died to me when the numbers replaced
might, power, vanq and so forth.
fucknuts should make a t2a shard and leave it the hell alone.
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Hennarr
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| posted on 24/1/2004 at 04:41 |
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I miss seeing the word "vanquishing"... 
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Duke
Semi-Nuub Avatar Link Time-out
Registered: 30/8/2003 Location: Seattle Wa Member Is Offline Mood: Back HomeUsarmy
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| posted on 24/1/2004 at 13:14 |
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5 favorite properties(plus bonus)
36 CC
24
32
J.O.B
5'9''
110
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Telchar
Semi-Nuub
Registered: 30/12/2003 Location: The Burgh Member Is Offline
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| posted on 24/1/2004 at 15:19 |
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FC
FCR
Spell Chan no -1
Mage Armor
Lower Reagent Cost
Cornelius
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FrozenFire
UOPG Moderator
Registered: 20/6/2002 Location: ClownTown, Europa Member Is Offline Mood: Bitter? Who, me
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| posted on 24/1/2004 at 16:12 |
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quote:
Originally posted by Mulac
I think the conceptual idea behind item properties is fine. It is the
implementation that sucked. Think about it an "emminently accurate silver
katana of vanquishing" is still a weapon with item properties on it!
and...
quote:
Originally posted by Mulac
I still say that once you pass through to Felucca you should be unable to
wear any overpowered items. That is a blanket stop-gap that will really
level the playing field.
Correct analysis, but completely wrong conclusion.
Item properties wouldnt be a big problem if it wasn't for item insurance.
The reason most people didn't run araound with their über shit back in the
day, was because every last mofo would quit whatever they were doing and
come after you. The resulting lag from the flocking ganksters would be so
bad, that the only thing to come close would have been Malas on AoS publish
day.
But that's OK, because that decked out idiot is taking a huge risk and
deserves his/her edge, and anyways it's very temporary.
Current (non group) "pvp" is increasingly looking like a trading card game
to me. The dude who packs the best deck wins almost everytime. Which is why
people spend $ at the store. Their wallets are much more important than
their playing skills. And that, Ladies and Gentlemen, is why we are where
we are. Players like to pit their skills against each other, but companies
like to earn the green stuff.
[Edited on 24/1/2004 by FrozenFire : Added disclaimer about group pvp
before Galrahn spanked me.]
Faster. Cheaper. Stronger.
www.uopowergamers.com
Achiever - 73% Killer - 73% Socializer - 33% Explorer - 20%
Who are you? Take the Bartle
test.
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siegeshot
Not a Nuub
Registered: 14/9/2002 Member Is Offline Mood: holy light spam
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| posted on 25/1/2004 at 18:11 |
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quote:
Originally posted by Duke
5 favorite properties(plus bonus)
36 CC
24
32
J.O.B
5'9''
110
the problem isnt arties or insurance. its the age old tale of people being
able to make chars that have no counters. there is no counter to a 4/6 with
70 resists 120 resist on a gm crafted swampy armor'd swampy with 40+ sdi
and a good connection.
they need to re-do the bigger properties with some counters, and they need
to re-do the lower properties with some bonuses and they need to make it
all slightly more common and make a ton more of different kinds.
diablo is balanced because theres 100's of "arties" theres no way uo can be
balanced with about 6 major arties its not possible
berserker maul
magi hat
bracers
magi staff
arcane shield
orny
theres no way to balance those without making new crap that is a counter to
them. like a freakin wep that lowers the persons fast cast or spell damage.
osi is f-ing retarded for not making a counter to those. thats why its
unbalanced.
:/
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FrozenFire
UOPG Moderator
Registered: 20/6/2002 Location: ClownTown, Europa Member Is Offline Mood: Bitter? Who, me
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| posted on 25/1/2004 at 19:54 |
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No the fundamental problem is still that insurance removed the last trace
of risk vs reward. A proper risk vs reward reintroduced to the game would
make this discussion moot. Everyone would adjust and use items that are
abundant and cheap/easy to replace. It might even *gasp* give crafters some
more customers because suddenly the utility/price ratio matters. As it is,
it's a race to max out the winning combo of properties. After that race is
over and done with, whats left for the player to do? His equipment will
pretty much win the fights by itself.
With so many properties, you can't expect to counter any given set. What
are you supposed to do? Take a time out and run home to get that *other*
suit? Great, just great. Ill stand here like a x-mas tree and wait for you!
[Edited on 25/1/2004 by FrozenFire : It's a good thing to make sense.]
Faster. Cheaper. Stronger.
www.uopowergamers.com
Achiever - 73% Killer - 73% Socializer - 33% Explorer - 20%
Who are you? Take the Bartle
test.
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Arjuna
Blind Swordsman
Registered: 5/9/2002 Member Is Offline
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| posted on 26/1/2004 at 00:16 |
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FC
FCR
Mana Regen
Mana Leech
DCI/SDI/HCI depending on char
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